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Series · Jul 23, 2007, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

IMHO, if they care so much about whichever decision I make that doesn't have any relevance and halts a run/mission because of it, GG. If they only stick around to insult me or whoever else is in my team for whichever reason, I'd rather them being gone; therefore I DO provoke. I had it happen; some DID admit to being homophobic and tried their best not to insult me or anything, those I don't mind and I make efforts as well not to provoke them. They make efforts, I do the same. It's the others, the ones that won't shut up, that are going to do EVERYTHING to make sure YOU fail in this game because you're not like they want, that I just can't stand and WILL provoke. I probably set a bad example... but so far it worked for me.

That I understand I suppose, although you shouldn't go provoking them just to get them to get angry... I'm gonna be honest, I don't like homosexuality one bit. I wouldn't insult you or anything though, so I guess I fall into that category of people who you make effort to not provoke.

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

Believes, I was refering to religion and socal believes, sure there is genocide and reigous fundualmentlism, but the key was EDUCATION, to educate persons and explain what is exceptable in socity and what is not. Education of human history, all of it, and not just what is politically correct.

That means explaining the double standard, and why some people find certain words like articulate racist when a white person uses it to give a positve compliment to a Black person.

I hate to say it but many african Americans have brought the hate on to themselves, simply by excepting a double standard as the norm.

The N word is racist no matter who says it, understand?

See, a belief is a belief no matter how extreme. Educating what is acceptable... the world isn't black and white. There are many borderline things, controversial things, and things that may seem wrong today but be perfect for the future.

I don't see how your last point has any relevance to the rest of your post, but okay...

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Originally Posted by Vl Vl D

Like I said "partial sentence" lol you qoute partial sentences to give your argument more clout.

again read the posts because its not my posts that your asking to be deleted.

Are you gona ask me to delete mine? What is your perfect world......no education for anyone?

Um, no I don't? I copied your entire post. If there is something I feel is irrelevant, off-topic, or already been discussed, I will not dwell on things that have already been talked to death. My posts are asking to be deleted? I was pretty sure spelling and grammar- at least a SMALL grasp on it- is a requirement for posting here. Sorry that my posts aren't full of hate and insulting like yours are, but well, that's hardly cause to delete them. Yes, if your post is irrelevant (IE: responding to a post I replaced), I will ask you to delete it. But I do not care if you do or don't to be honest, it would simply be nice for the discussion. You have been dwelling on that for several posts as some way to... discredit me? I didn't like how what I said sounded so I rewrote it and instead of going back on topic there, you make a ton of posts mocking that I wanted to get rid of some clutter on the forum. And no, my perfect world is not "no education", I never once suggested it was, and judging by your spelling and grammar in that last post, I think we need education more than ever.

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

The OP didnt do anything wrong. you should have reported the trolls in the thread instead of reporting an innocent.

The OP did do something wrong. This forum is, if I recall correctly, NOT a place to go posting everybody you plan on reporting. E-mail support. If everyone made a thread for every person they reported, that's all this forum would be.

WinterSnowblind · Jul 23, 2007, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Penny Arcade pretty much nailed this.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

=HT=Ingram · Jul 23, 2007, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Is it bad yes, Did people make it worse by reacting to it and giving them what they wanted? attention... Yep.

Simply ignore them and thats the end of it... Rage of whatever will be cause lets face it the number of mature players are small. There may be a small influx of 30+ yr olds... but even them get nasty at time. the teenyboppers are by far the most filthy mouthed little bastards there are... But the point is if you react to them in any way at all... they will do it more and more and more... Just add them to ignore as everyone should and then bingo they got no one to talk to anymore... pitty...

Yes go ahead and report them, and they will likely get some ban time for it. but the point is if you add them to ignore list then you need not wait to avoid the little idiot for the rest of your life.

The only bad thing is the ignore list takes up space from your friends list ;( this was a thing that needed addressed a long time ago, but never has been.

Maybe it will eventually... Lets hope so...

explodemyheart · Jul 23, 2007, 07:48 AM // 07:48

So... it's 100% unnacceptable to insult someone using a racist term, but it's apparently 100% okay to insult someone by using terms to insult their intelligence, simply because you're in disagreement with them.

I'm sorry, I just don't get the hypocrisy. It's funny that I could start a thread similar to the OP's and maybe interject a word like "rape" and I would have a plethora of people all over me telling me I just needed to grow a thicker skin. People have had their lives destroyed by rape, yet I see and hear the word being thrown around like it's a vowel and I never, ever see anybody saying "Hey, don't say that! That's not cool!"

If you're against using the n-word as an insult, don't then turn around and use other insults. Just because "idiot" or "retard" aren't The Most Offensive Word in the English Language does not mean it's okay for you to be insulting. Try as much as you want, but you cannot justify it. Less bad than The Worst Bad does not suddenly equal a-okay.

All tolerance really is is what people pick and choose to be tolerant of, as so many of you have demonstrated so well.

Series · Jul 23, 2007, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

So... it's 100% unnacceptable to insult someone using a racist term, but it's apparently 100% okay so insult someone by using terms, simply because you're in disagreement with them.

I'm sorry, I just don't get the hypocrisy. It's funny that I could start a thread similar to the OP's and maybe interject a word like "rape" and I would have a plethora of people all over me telling me I just needed to grow a thicker skin. People have had their lives destroyed by rape, yet I see and hear the word being thrown around like it's a vowel and I never, ever see anybody saying "Hey, don't say that! That's not cool!"

If you're against using the n-word as an insult, don't then turn around and use other insults. Just because "idiot" or "retard" aren't The Most Offensive Word in the English Language does not mean it's okay for you to be insulting. Try as much as you want, but you cannot justify it. Less bad than The Worst Bad does not suddenly equal a-okay.

All tolerance really is is what people pick and choose to be tolerant of, as so many of you have demonstrated so well.

Oh but they will try to justify it time and time again, thinking they are right the whole time.

I definitely like your point on tolerance. You are tolerant to things... as long as they are what you like to hear.

Also, to add to this, I hate how tolerance is changed to "love" or "accept". Like I said in my above post, I don't like homosexuality. This makes me "intolerant" to some people, but wait... I never said I don't tolerate them. I respect their right to be homosexual (also known as TOLERANCE) and I expect my right to dislike homosexuality to be respected as well. It will not be though, as tolerance only applies when you want it to. South Park actually did a good episode on this issue... of course I doubt the politically correct police here watch south park :-D

Tijger · Jul 23, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Not to mention its the internet. If people such as the people in the OP situation, then they should just leave.

Bullshit. Just because its the internet doesnt mean you need to accept it.

Report the jackass, I've seen more then one instance where racial remarks got banned by Anet and rightly so.

To the poster who suggested ignoring such a person, its even easier to ignore someone who is banned and perhaps it might teach them a lesson about how they express themselves.

sassoonssamson · Jul 23, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

you should report him They have a 0 tolerance on these matter

A while I reported a perosn

He was forming a guild and advertising

Only boys 7 to 12 ..

he wanted them to join him alone on some boat for some private guild war party and celebration

me and other reported him Got a mail from support that the issue was taken care of

arcanemacabre · Jul 23, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

So... it's 100% unnacceptable to insult someone using a racist term, but it's apparently 100% okay to insult someone by using terms to insult their intelligence, simply because you're in disagreement with them.

Racism carries with it a history of very heinous hate crimes and hurtful segregation. There are generally accepted levels of the effect of racism, but only because there are/were levels of hatred and violence attached to it. Blacks and Jews are seen as worst end of this because of the more well-known historical violence and hatred directed toward them - so those wanting shock value usually attack those two races/cultures.

Calling someone an idiot or moron is seen as not as bad, because most of the time what people really mean is what you said or what you did was not intelligent, to them. They skip the step of saying "What you did was stupid" and going directly to "You're stupid". Effectively, an insult is an insult is an insult, and should have no "levels" on acceptance, but truth is, the words themselves have connotations that have levels all their own in modern society. Call it dumb, call it illogical, call it what you will, but those are the rules on which our society is based in order for everyone to get along as best they can.

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

I'm sorry, I just don't get the hypocrisy. It's funny that I could start a thread similar to the OP's and maybe interject a word like "rape" and I would have a plethora of people all over me telling me I just needed to grow a thicker skin. People have had their lives destroyed by rape, yet I see and hear the word being thrown around like it's a vowel and I never, ever see anybody saying "Hey, don't say that! That's not cool!"

If that were to be true, which I think you're right, those people who would say that are likely juveniles, or live in their own little world. Many people on this forum fall into those categories, sad to say. I am a white male, and I find neither racism or rape funny, nor something to joke about. But that's me. Someone else may enjoy the shock value either of those subjects bring, tapping into the little brat in all of us. Regardless, neither of those things belong in a game (or forum for a game) marketed toward ages 13 and up.

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

If you're against using the n-word as an insult, don't then turn around and use other insults. Just because "idiot" or "retard" aren't The Most Offensive Word in the English Language does not mean it's okay for you to be insulting. Try as much as you want, but you cannot justify it. Less bad than The Worst Bad does not suddenly equal a-okay.

All tolerance really is is what people pick and choose to be tolerant of, as so many of you have demonstrated so well.

You're absolutely right, it's not okay. However, the social acceptance of certain insults means they can be used in an online game targeted at ages 13 and up. Personally, I don't like to insult people. Others do. That's fine, but certain subjects should not be touched upon in a family game. It's Anet's job, though bans, to make sure the worst scum is cleaned out.

After all, when you brush your teeth, you're not getting all the plaque and food particles out, just the biggest and worst bits. While in Anet's teeth, rest assured that if you're a big chunk of plaque, you will be cleaned out.

EDIT: Just want to add about the severity of things. If you don't think there are acceptable insults and unacceptable insults, lumping them all into one category, then consider this: Are there different acceptable levels of taking a life? I'm not talking abortion here, nothing heavily controversial. Just killing a living thing. Say someone kills your dog. That's pretty heinous, right? Say they kill a relative of yours. Would you say that's much worse? Now say they kill a mosquito that landed on their arm. You follow?

Just about every crime with severe punishment has levels of severity attached. It is a concept that says things are not black and white. So yes, a racist insult is greater in magnitude than an insult that targets intelligence. Why? Because of the severity placed onto it by society.

Vl Vl D · Jul 23, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Series - are you having a dig about my slang? (Slang is a normal occurance from where I come from) Are you saying you have something against my nationality/race?

As for hate - if you read ANY of my posts you would have got the impression that I do not believe in spreading hatred in-game. I love Ninja's by the way.

JeniM · Jul 23, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

the teenyboppers are by far the most filthy mouthed little bastards there are...

hypercrits FTW

Personally i don't think and form of racial abuse should be tolerated
As for the guy on first page that said something about "you should be allowed the rite to decide wether the people in your group are black/white/jewish or whatever"
What difference does it make? I'm not the most tolerent person in the world but i don't care who's on the other end of an MMORPG connection, and i doubt that if your this color and this religeon your by default a better player than this race or this religeon

Iuris · Jul 23, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

I would point out that the modern world has mostly adopted the zero tolerance policy to discrimination for a reason: while initially a fringe concern, these problems are self feeding and can easily escalate out of control. Especially the traditional Jew hatred which has had atrocities committed in its name far earlier than 1940's...

Also, I would note that there is such a thing as being overzealous. It can backfire on one.

I still remember something that happened to me in Diablo II. I found myself in a game with a character named "killajew". When I noticed the name, read it as "kill a jew", I immediatly said "Kill a jew, eh? Well, there are some people I just don't play with." and left.

Only a few hours later, while still reflecting on the guy, I realized I may have wronged him. "killajew" may not have been "kill a jew", but rather "killa jew", as in "killer jew". My comment itself may have come out as hate message!

cyberjanet · Jul 23, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

On the internet, nobody knows your race or religion.

I often find the language used in public places in GW quite disgraceful. Clearly the parents of those players have botched their upbringing. And it's clearly the language of little kids who are trying to show how cool they are by talking about stuff they know nothing about.

The racism stuff falls into the same bucket as the sexual crap.

Avarre · Jul 23, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49

I don't have the time to go through here and clean out all the disgraceful posts I find in an effort to make this thread even remotely on topic, but know that I will be marking every forum account involved in offensive posting to any degree.

Closed.